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Inspiration

The Observer Beyond the Mind:Finding Freedom From Vasanas

Mooji
Mooji
Sep 8, 2026
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A sincere seeker opens the conversation with a confession that will ring true for anyone who has tasted even a moment of peace in meditation, then felt it slip away. Six years ago, he watched a video and something clicked—for two or three weeks, he lived in a state of bliss, able to witness the mind as something separate from his essential self. But then the storm arrived. And it stayed. The tenant, as Mooji puts it, has taken over the landlord.

This is the real geography of the spiritual path: not the absence of difficulty, but the discovery of what you actually are when difficulty arises. The seeker's question—how to transcend mind storms, how to stay in that impersonal perceiving, whether grace is truly at work—cuts to the heart of what it means to awaken. Mooji doesn't offer a quick fix. Instead, he offers something more useful: a clear map of the territory between where the seeker is and where he needs to see.

Lettura · 6 sezioni

The Sufferer Inside the Mind

The breakthrough begins with a subtle but revolutionary distinction. When Mooji is asked what the mind storm really is, he doesn't blame the mind alone. "The mind becomes very restless of losing itself," the seeker suggests. Mooji corrects gently: it's not just the mind—it's the mind *that contains the sufferer*. This is everything. Until now, says Mooji, we have carried an idea of ourselves shaped entirely in the mind. We call this the personal self, and it has a stake in survival. It has whims, insecurities, a desperate hunger to protect its own image.

But your actual being—Mooji calls it "impersonal consciousness"—is not shaped by these characteristics at all. It doesn't suffer. It's a place of pure being, undisturbed by the tornado of thought and emotion swirling around it. The crisis the seeker faces isn't that the mind is still active. It's that he still believes he *is* the mind.

This confusion runs deep, and it runs in all of us. When consciousness manifests in human form, it takes on the role of an individual soul. This is not a mistake. Each soul, Mooji explains, carries within it what Hindu philosophy calls vasanas—deep-rooted tendencies, subtle imprints from past action and conditioning. These are not random or accidental. They're presented to each soul as part of its curriculum. The work we came here to do is to transcend their grip, but more importantly, to wake up to what we truly are beneath them.

Is Grace Required, or Just Understanding?

The seeker presses on another point that troubles many seekers: if consciousness is already pure, if God is supposedly helping, why does the fight get harder the moment you try to work with these tendencies? The answer Mooji gives is counterintuitive. When you hear the reminder to "marinate in the being"—to rest in pure awareness rather than chase solutions—the vasanas tighten. It's a reflex. The illusory identity protects itself. The Supreme allows this. God doesn't prevent it because your discernment must grow. You must learn to exercise the power to distinguish between what is real and what is merely perceived.

But is grace required? Here Mooji makes a crucial move. Grace, he suggests, is not something you need to earn or even pray for. The fact that you find satsang appealing, that you're drawn to truth—this is already grace at work. This is the calling itself. You're already in the space of grace. What that grace gives you is not the removal of difficulty, but the real chance to transcend its grip. "With grace being with you," Mooji says, "the chance to transcend the grip of the vasanas become much more real and alive for you."

The Shift From Personal to Impersonal Perceiving

The seeker mentions something Mooji has taught: marinate in the being. But the mind is clinging so hard. How do you actually do this? Mooji's answer reveals the real work. Most people, he says, can't just click into that position. But when the soul hears that reminder—to rest in being—it's not just verbal guidance. It's a spiritual impartation. Something shifts. Then the vasanas react by tightening their grip.

Here's where the real teaching emerges. Mooji introduces a sword, but not a sword you wield against the mind. It's the sword of attention. And the cut it makes is subtle but transformative. He points the seeker to a fundamental truth: whatever you perceive through mind or senses is never permanent. It comes and goes. But you—the one who perceives—are constant. This is crucial. The person also functions as an observer, but the personal observer watches with self-interest. It wants to protect its insecurities, its vulnerabilities. But even that protection, even that fear—*it is perceivable*. It appears within awareness.

The moment you see that even your identity is being perceived, something shifts. The perceiver becomes deeper, purer. It moves from the personal to the impersonal. This is not a state you can visit once and then keep. The seeker admits he can touch this only when he's not doing anything. The moment action resumes, he falls back. Mooji's response is entirely practical: practice this when you're quiet, until it gains stability. Work with what you can. Don't put too much in front of yourself.

Effort and the Effortless

A profound question emerges: is it natural to put effort to stay in the effortless? Yes, Mooji says. You must put effort to stay in the effortless, until the effort itself drops away and only effortlessness remains. This seems paradoxical, but it addresses a real sticking point. People often think that if awakening is natural, why should any effort be required? The answer is subtle. Right now, you're trying to understand your true nature through the mind. But the mind doesn't have the stamina for this work. The mind and ego are allied. They can't overpower your true Self, but they can easily overpower the replica self—the personal identity you've mistaken for who you are.

The work, then, is not to fight the mind. It's to recognize what's perceiving the mind. "The person itself—who is the one who is the sufferer basically—is itself on the screen of perception," Mooji reminds the seeker. This is not something to think about. It's something to keep looking at, to keep verifying. For a fraction of a second, the mind may release its grip and you glimpse the truth. Then you're pulled back in. That's fine. You return to the practice. Again and again, you practice the simple act of remembering: I am the one who perceives, not the one who is perceived.

Beyond the Vasanas: The Real Destiny

Mooji circles back to a core teaching. The vasanas will keep transforming. They can take many shapes. A person can spend years working to overcome one tendency only to watch it mutate into something else. But this doesn't mean the work is futile. Evolution in the spiritual sense means becoming more subtle, more refined, more like consciousness in its original nature. The entire journey—not just overcoming vasanas, but awakening to who you truly are—is a journey of understanding, not a physical movement. You're journeying to a place you could never actually be separate from.

What changes is not your location but your recognition of where you've always been. When consciousness believes itself to be the sense of person—which all of us do—the chances of awakening diminish. But you didn't get this human birth by accident. You're destined for awakening. This life, with all its apparent obstacles, was given to you precisely to awaken to your original being.

The Practice That Continues

By the end of the conversation, Mooji has given the seeker something concrete: a practice that works in quiet moments, a reminder to stay impersonal when thought arises, and most importantly, the understanding that the battle isn't against the mind—it's a shift in perception. The mind will keep doing what it does. But there's something in you that sees the mind doing it. That something is not personal. It has no agenda. It never wavers. Even when the storms rage, it remains untouched. Even when grace seems absent and vasanas seem to have all the power, you are already, and have always been, exactly what you seek.

Transcript

[0:02] [music]

[0:09] [music]

[0:18] 6 years ago when I watched your video

[0:20] for the first time [snorts]

[0:22] >> something clicked and I was able to

[0:25] separate from the mind and witness the

[0:28] monkey mind that I am something

[0:29] different in myself for 2 3 weeks I was

[0:33] at a lot of peace lot of bliss but then

[0:37] as you say the storm came

[0:39] >> it's been close to 6 years the storm has

[0:41] stayed

[0:43] it's like you say the tenant has come in

[0:47] >> and took over the landlord

[0:50] >> appears to

[0:52] it appears to it's not it's not so

[0:56] what do you think this storm is

[0:59] >> the mind becoming very restless of

[1:01] losing itself.

[1:02] >> Yeah. Not not just the mind by itself

[1:05] unless the mind contains the the the

[1:08] sufferer also.

[1:11] Uh when the mind contains the sufferer

[1:15] um which means the idea you have of

[1:17] yourself. Until now it has been there's

[1:21] an idea we have of ourel which is shaped

[1:23] in the mind. Um [snorts] and uh whereas

[1:27] your real self the beingness let's put

[1:30] it as the beingness for now is not

[1:32] personal. It doesn't have personal

[1:34] characteristics of its you know self.

[1:37] It's not uh it doesn't have whims. It's

[1:40] not uh it's it's it's just a place of

[1:43] being a place of uh impersonal

[1:46] consciousness. And it's that so for all

[1:48] beings, all the beings, not only human

[1:50] beings, the basic consciousness is there

[1:53] in the human form. That's what we're

[1:55] going to concern our self with. Uh when

[1:58] it manifest as individuality,

[2:01] it never forfeits with its own power as

[2:04] consciousness. But when it adopts the

[2:06] shape as a person for its own reason. So

[2:09] therefore the consciousness takes on the

[2:11] role of being a soul like that an

[2:13] individual soul. And each individual

[2:15] soul is very very unique. Even unto

[2:18] itself it's unique. Which means that it

[2:21] cannot be evaluated by its activities

[2:25] only. A certain deep uh rooted

[2:29] tendencies accompany the idea we have of

[2:32] oursel and that those tendencies or you

[2:35] may call them vas. You understand? they

[2:39] they are generating these kind of um

[2:42] behavior or situations that we see.

[2:45] They're not just accidental. They're

[2:48] part of what is presented to each soul

[2:52] and what each soul needs to learn like

[2:54] that. While when consciousness is taken

[2:58] on or puts itself in the role of a

[3:01] person, it has a work to do.

[3:05] That's what brought you to this planet

[3:06] to this earth to to transcend the grip

[3:10] of the vasanas but more than that to

[3:13] wake up to who you truly are.

[3:16] If you wake up to because many people

[3:18] can [snorts] focus on overcoming the

[3:22] vasas

[3:23] but the vasanas can keep transmuting to

[3:26] other shapes as well. Still the soul

[3:29] continues our journey of evolution

[3:31] evolving and evolution in this context

[3:33] mean becoming more subtle

[3:36] more eil more like its original nature

[3:40] as pure consciousness.

[3:42] So all journeys ultimately are to return

[3:45] to unpolluted

[3:47] consciousness.

[3:49] But the journey is not a physical

[3:51] journey. It's a journey of

[3:52] understanding.

[3:54] [snorts] And where you're journeying to

[3:56] is the place actually you could never

[3:59] ever be separate from. So even in the

[4:02] role am I speaking too fast?

[4:06] >> Okay. Okay. So even in the role of being

[4:09] a person. Okay. The pure consciousness

[4:14] remains ever pure

[4:17] when the sense of when it believes

[4:19] itself as the sense of person as we all

[4:22] do believe ourselves as person takes the

[4:25] world that we see through the mind to be

[4:28] real

[4:30] then the chances of awakening diminishes

[4:34] like that.

[4:35] You see so each soul is going to have

[4:39] that kind of predicament. But if you can

[4:42] trust that the supreme gave you this

[4:46] condition, this play in order to awaken

[4:50] to your original being and that you're

[4:54] destined for that

[4:56] and that because you find satsang

[4:59] appealing for you

[5:00] >> yes

[5:01] >> is already significance that you're in

[5:03] the space of the calling and so grace is

[5:06] with you but also the vasanas or The

[5:11] tendencies are still there. Yes,

[5:13] >> we should not be overwhelmed by them

[5:16] because with grace being with you, the

[5:19] chance to transcend the grip of the

[5:21] vasanas become much more

[5:25] real and alive for you. So I just want

[5:29] to put that somewhere inside you and

[5:31] then we can forget it. We don't have to

[5:32] go into all of this. So when [snorts]

[5:35] you say now you start again and say what

[5:37] is what is the what is the thing you

[5:40] feel you need to overcome is

[5:43] >> one thing that I've heard you say is

[5:45] marinate in the being

[5:46] >> marinate in the being

[5:47] >> which means don't look at the mind be in

[5:51] the being

[5:52] >> yes

[5:52] >> but the mind is clinging so hard

[5:54] >> that is at a at a at a more mature stage

[5:58] in your journey that will become

[6:00] self-evident

[6:02] but uh not for Everyone will just click

[6:05] immediately to that position.

[6:07] Even in the hearing of that, when the

[6:09] soul hears that reminder

[6:12] to marinate in the being, you see it's

[6:15] such a powerful guidance. It's not just

[6:17] a verbal guidance. It's actually

[6:20] spiritual impartation to the soul. Now,

[6:23] soon as that come, it's like the vasanic

[6:26] identity and tendencies. They tighten

[6:28] up. It's like a reflex to to protect

[6:32] >> their illusary identity. But you

[6:36] remember that the supreme allows that.

[6:39] You think but why would God do that? I

[6:41] thought he's going to help me to

[6:42] overcome them.

[6:43] >> Mhm. But uh it's like to we have to

[6:48] exercise

[6:50] the discerning power that we have to

[6:54] [snorts] to overcome

[6:57] uh all the different shapes that the

[7:00] mind can take.

[7:02] And once you um you're not it's not

[7:06] putting a sword in your hand like that.

[7:08] The sword is a sword of um attention.

[7:13] You know when I say to you that whatever

[7:16] you can perceive through the mind or the

[7:19] senses are never permanent. They're not

[7:23] real in that sense.

[7:25] They cannot hold their shape. They keep

[7:28] coming and going.

[7:30] But you the observer

[7:34] and this is where I want to explain

[7:36] because the person also also functions

[7:39] as an observer.

[7:42] The difference with the person observing

[7:44] is that it observes with self-interest.

[7:47] >> Okay?

[7:48] >> You understand? It wants to protect its

[7:50] own insecurities. It wants to protect

[7:52] its own

[7:53] >> sense of vulnerability.

[7:56] >> But when I say but that also is

[7:58] perceivable. Mhm. Yes.

[8:00] >> So if that is perceivable, it shifts the

[8:03] perceiver to a deeper and more pure

[8:06] place. You can experience that.

[8:09] >> I can but only when I'm not doing

[8:12] anything. The moment I do any action, I

[8:14] come back.

[8:15] >> So you you practice this when you're not

[8:17] doing anything for a while.

[8:19] >> Yes.

[8:19] >> Until it it gains stability.

[8:22] >> You you keep that. You just keep doing

[8:24] that.

[8:24] >> Don't put too much hard test in front of

[8:26] you. Work with what you can. Okay.

[8:29] >> So when you are quiet you you do that

[8:31] and in that time in that space where you

[8:34] can see that of course you know from the

[8:38] real place of looking it's not a moving

[8:40] place but movement can happen within it

[8:43] or in front of it but it's not it is

[8:45] moving.

[8:46] >> Yeah.

[8:47] >> Here the perceiver is not an entity.

[8:50] The personal perceiver is an entity

[8:54] but there's an impersonal perceiving

[8:57] which has no shape doing it. Shapes are

[9:01] perceived in it including the most

[9:04] subtle shape which is the shape of the

[9:06] person. Difficult to catch you see.

[9:09] >> Is it natural to put effort to stay in

[9:13] that?

[9:14] >> Yes you must put effort to stay in the

[9:19] effortless. M

[9:20] >> until the effort itself drops inside and

[9:23] only the effortless shine.

[9:25] >> Okay.

[9:26] >> Effort is very necessary because it's a

[9:28] good question because people may say but

[9:31] if it's natural why should they have to

[9:32] put effort? You see?

[9:34] >> Yes.

[9:34] >> Mhm.

[9:34] >> Yes. So these questions are okay to be

[9:37] asked but then you have to exercise the

[9:40] the discernment to say but of course uh

[9:43] um at at present although you're told

[9:46] that you are the pure being

[9:49] >> uh you're you're trying to understand it

[9:51] with the mind

[9:52] >> and the mind doesn't have the stamina it

[9:55] doesn't even have the the real intention

[9:57] to do it

[9:58] >> because the mind and the ego they're in

[10:00] league a little bit.

[10:01] >> Yeah. They cannot overpower the self.

[10:05] They cannot overpower the self. What

[10:07] they overpower is the replica self as

[10:10] the person.

[10:12] You see? So if you can hear the advice

[10:15] that the person itself

[10:19] who is the one who is a sufferer

[10:20] basically is itself on the screen of

[10:23] perception. Have you come to that?

[10:26] >> Yes. So that you must that is a a very

[10:30] powerful very potent pointer and you

[10:33] must keep looking at that to keep

[10:34] verifying because the mind will keep

[10:36] trying to to distort and to jump to

[10:38] another thing

[10:39] >> for a fraction [cough] of second and

[10:41] [clears throat] then I'm pulled back

[10:42] into

[10:43] >> yeah if you pull back into shape that is

[10:46] also seen just remember whatever happens

[10:48] you also

[10:49] >> it it's like if you imagine

[10:53] there's a story that there was a man who

[10:56] was um who didn't like to see his own

[10:59] shadow.

[11:01] >> You probably heard the story. Is a man

[11:02] who never liked to see his own shadow.

[11:04] >> So wherever he s he would always disturb

[11:07] him. So he always was walking where the

[11:11] sun is in front of him. So the shadow

[11:12] will be hide. So he doesn't have to see

[11:14] the shadow. But one day he became so

[11:17] tormented that he said I still can't if

[11:20] I turn I see the shadow. I want it to

[11:22] that if I turn I see no shadow. So he

[11:25] said, "Okay, what I'll do?" One day he's

[11:27] passing one grave place, one cemetery,

[11:30] >> and he see that they're burying a body

[11:32] >> and they're throwing earth onto the

[11:35] thing and he says, "Ah, I will go and I

[11:38] will dig a hole and bury my shadow."

[11:42] >> So he dug a hole

[11:43] >> and he waited for the sun to be in the

[11:45] position there where shadow is in the

[11:47] hole and he started to try and cover it.

[11:50] So every time he tried to cover the

[11:51] shadow came on top of everything. He

[11:54] couldn't bear the shadow.

[11:56] The per the reason why I say that is

[11:58] that I'm going to exchange the shadow

[12:01] for something because no matter how much

[12:05] things appear, you're always here to see

[12:08] them. You say when I'm focusing on that

[12:12] example that I gave you, then it was

[12:14] okay for a while and then the mind come

[12:16] back in.

[12:17] >> Yes.

[12:17] >> Okay.

[12:18] >> Yes. Then but no matter how many times

[12:21] the mind come but you're still the one

[12:22] who sees it

[12:24] the mind cannot remove the seer

[12:30] because it is a sear. The seer adopting

[12:33] the shape of the person say the mind is

[12:35] coming back.

[12:36] >> Yes.

[12:37] >> But both the mind coming back and the

[12:39] one suffering it are both on the screen.

[12:42] The seer is not on the screen.

[12:44] >> Can you understand that?

[12:45] >> Yes.

[12:46] >> I'm [snorts] recording this. So you're

[12:47] going to give it to you.

[12:48] >> Yes.

[12:48] >> So that you really come to this because

[12:51] many people, most of us, we will have

[12:53] this as you're coming. You know, it's

[12:55] like you're if you're flying an

[12:57] aircraft, you know, you're flying and

[12:58] for a while you can relax. Even the the

[13:00] captain can have a drink or wash his

[13:02] face on automatic. But when you're

[13:04] coming into land, he studies himself,

[13:07] put seat belt on and you come down,

[13:09] you're coming into land. So as it were

[13:11] like that, when you're coming into land,

[13:13] you have to be extra focused. Baba G why

[13:16] do I feel so exhausted in the mind?

[13:20] >> Actually you the self can never be

[13:22] exhausted.

[13:24] It is the person the shape of yourself

[13:27] as a person that gets exhausted. It is a

[13:30] mental quality

[13:33] and even the the mind can simulate

[13:35] exhaustion.

[13:37] The maya can simulate exhaustion

[13:41] because when you identify as a person

[13:44] you suffer from exhaustion and tiredness

[13:47] and frustration. So the mind can take

[13:49] the form of exhaustion to say this is

[13:52] too much. I can't do this and this kind

[13:54] of thing. You think why would the

[13:56] supreme permit that? Well, because you

[13:58] have to grow to find all the different

[14:00] nuances, all the different shapes mind

[14:04] can take and realize and if it takes a

[14:06] million shape, the seer still has no

[14:09] shape.

[14:11] You have to be in the place of the seer.

[14:13] >> Is it possible to be in the place of

[14:15] seer and still go through your day doing

[14:18] all the work?

[14:18] >> Yes, it is. The difference is that when

[14:21] you are situated in place of the sear,

[14:24] the dynamic life will continue but

[14:27] without the victim identity.

[14:32] It's not the life is not the problem.

[14:36] It is the identity who suffers life or

[14:38] who pursues life that makes it

[14:41] precarious.

[14:44] It's a good question. You see you know

[14:47] uh

[14:51] is it possible that in the realization

[14:53] of the self the life because of course

[14:55] if say for instance if one awakens and

[14:59] it means the world disappear your family

[15:01] disappear your job disappear and stuff

[15:03] nobody would want because you love your

[15:05] family and it's right to love our family

[15:09] it's not the world itself that is the

[15:11] enemy of the consciousness it's not the

[15:13] enemy of consciousness Even the ego is

[15:15] not enemy of consciousness.

[15:19] You see, it's the person who wants

[15:22] consciousness to take different shapes

[15:24] to please its own insufficiency

[15:29] that suffers the when consciousness when

[15:31] it projections don't work. But as you

[15:34] slip back more and keep coming back and

[15:37] seeing that everything everything in

[15:39] that you comes through your mind reports

[15:42] in front of the consciousness you are

[15:45] and that is very direct even now. The

[15:49] thing is that by the force of habit you

[15:52] adopt very strongly the identity of the

[15:55] person the inconsistency of personal

[15:59] identity that fluctuates and then you

[16:01] say well I can't I can't control the

[16:03] mind you don't need to control the mind

[16:07] in that way if you are somebody who

[16:09] practice mind control you always have to

[16:11] practice it says it's like trying to

[16:14] straighten the curled tail of a dog let

[16:18] it go it's going to curl again. So you

[16:20] can't need to control the mind. You must

[16:25] understand that mind is an action

[16:29] uh presented in the consciousness. You

[16:31] are the witness of that. However many

[16:34] shapes it takes, however many times it

[16:36] changes, the witness is not altered by

[16:38] it. And this is factual and

[16:41] [clears throat] provable.

[16:43] That's the one thing you need to do.

[16:45] These are the kind of pointers I give

[16:47] you. not 10 pointers if you can come to

[16:50] this and of course I see the challenge

[16:54] because it's as though if you solve this

[16:57] is like game over it's not game over

[16:59] suffering over

[17:03] >> so at this moment I am able to be into

[17:06] that sear state only for a few minutes

[17:09] or seconds

[17:10] >> what observes that even the the the

[17:13] intention to stay as the seer

[17:16] [clears throat]

[17:16] >> is only moment

[17:18] What observes that?

[17:25] >> You see, it's the eye in the form of the

[17:28] practicer that experiences failure or

[17:30] temporary success.

[17:33] But deeper eyes look and sees that and

[17:36] at some point you laugh and say, "Wow,

[17:38] that caught me for so many years." And I

[17:41] saw that that also is a scam of the

[17:44] mind.

[17:46] The self cannot

[17:48] fail. It cannot even succeed. It's so

[17:50] pure. The pure space it's there in you

[17:59] satisfy your questions. Keep asking

[18:01] until you

[18:03] >> One thing after following this and

[18:06] meditating for last six years, one thing

[18:08] that now comes up is that maybe grace

[18:11] needs to happen to do that paradigm

[18:14] shift. Just like you have expressed that

[18:16] when you met Papa G and Papa G looked at

[18:18] you and you experienced something very

[18:21] different, very radical shift. So

[18:24] >> everyone has their own way.

[18:27] Some people may never meet a physical

[18:30] master.

[18:31] >> Mhm.

[18:31] >> And we still can still wake up.

[18:34] >> Whatever is destined for you, every soul

[18:36] has a journey that includes awakening.

[18:39] You see? So don't have to imitate the

[18:41] shape that you hear before that this has

[18:43] to happen or somebody went to a cave and

[18:46] sit for you know five weeks. You don't

[18:48] have to do that. Just trust that life

[18:51] has a way that is perfectly suitable for

[18:54] the character it plays in you to wake

[18:56] up.

[18:57] >> So it will happen in its own time when

[19:00] it's supposed to be.

[19:01] >> Well yeah it's not accidental like that.

[19:04] It will need your conscious cooperation

[19:06] also that will assist it. Everyone must

[19:09] wake up at some point. But we have been

[19:11] on this journey lifetimes.

[19:14] If you've come to a state like this

[19:16] where these kind of questions are

[19:17] arising in you, it means that you're

[19:20] becoming more fit for that realization

[19:23] to happen. You see, so don't leave it to

[19:26] chance.

[19:28] uh when you follow the question

[19:31] questions and a probe into the questions

[19:33] I'm asking

[19:35] many other superficial questions will

[19:37] fall away because you cannot uh

[19:41] be seeking 100 different answers I'm

[19:45] just putting you to one place the answer

[19:48] you're seeking is yourself and yourself

[19:51] as pure consciousness is the only

[19:54] constant in this body not your person

[19:57] your person is a mixture of mind and

[19:59] consciousness.

[20:02] That's why it goes by the same name I or

[20:05] I am which is the intuitive name of

[20:09] consciousness. Impersonal consciousness

[20:12] becomes personal consciousness in the

[20:14] form of I am the person. But this I am

[20:18] signifies a consciousness which is not

[20:20] personal and it's the most natural. It's

[20:23] the most beautiful. It's always with

[20:26] you. In fact, it is only what you are.

[20:30] The rest is what we imagine. We we're

[20:32] dreaming ourselves in a sense. I know

[20:35] that's not easy to accept because we

[20:37] don't accept that. Uh you think dreaming

[20:39] happens when you go to sleep. But when

[20:41] you're not aware of yourself, it's

[20:43] called also dreaming.

[20:47] In your inquiry, in your introspection,

[20:49] you should not come to the place of

[20:51] merely person

[20:53] beyond the person. When the person

[20:55] itself is seen as as something

[20:58] perceivable,

[20:59] then you must experience what it is that

[21:02] that then is experiencing the person as

[21:05] a shape perceived.

[21:07] So this now you cannot use your mind

[21:09] because mind is screen. Mind is both the

[21:12] screen and the activity on the screen.

[21:15] That which perceives that is not on

[21:18] screen.

[21:21] That should be my only effort to get

[21:24] into that mode.

[21:25] >> The effort would be to to resist the

[21:28] temptation to go into form.

[21:32] You if something goes into form, let it

[21:34] go into form, but recognize that you're

[21:36] you are the formless watching it.

[21:39] >> But know that that cannot just be a

[21:41] mental technique you will experience.

[21:43] But but the seeing of that is happening

[21:45] also.

[21:46] And by and by you come to a very uh

[21:50] natural

[21:52] space

[21:53] unalterable and without manipulation

[21:56] pure place of being and that you must uh

[22:01] I would say persist with this and be

[22:06] devoted to that to staying with that

[22:08] looking looking until gradually

[22:11] gradually the the the

[22:14] force

[22:16] The force of habit loses its grip. You

[22:19] see like that. Mhm. [clears throat]

[22:23] One last question.

[22:25] >> This pure consciousness is this the

[22:28] divine.

[22:29] >> Yes. Even the mind is divine.

[22:34] But um we can't you can't understand

[22:37] that when you're in the strong state of

[22:39] personhood

[22:41] because the state of person would

[22:44] dictate and determine and interpret the

[22:47] world from a personal place

[22:50] but when you wake up you see all of it

[22:52] is divine

[22:55] and that's not easier to understand

[22:56] because when you have suffered you think

[22:57] and I don't want that to be divine but

[23:00] is your way of looking even your way of

[23:02] looking is included in the divinity.

[23:04] But when you're freed from it, you will

[23:06] not you will not suffer it. You

[23:08] understand that it's also a form of

[23:10] compassion because it means then you

[23:12] will not be able to dismiss anyone

[23:14] because you know what they experience

[23:17] and why they experience the way they

[23:19] experience and why they suffer some

[23:21] experience and enjoy others.

[23:27] >> Yes. If I find anyone who has this urge

[23:31] to to to wake up to it, I would try and

[23:35] find a space to come.

[23:36] >> The only thing I'm looking for

[23:39] sincerely, I'm done with everything

[23:41] else.

[23:42] >> That's that's making your life really

[23:44] worthy.

[23:46] >> This, as you say, is the most important

[23:48] discovery and I [snorts] feel it. But

[23:51] >> it's unfortunate I cannot be in that

[23:54] being

[23:55] >> if if it became too easy.

[23:59] which is not uh in that way to shift

[24:03] from person to presence is like this but

[24:06] it's not easy because we are so

[24:08] indoctrinated in person so the force of

[24:11] habit keeps us in the state of this

[24:14] strong intense duality you know

[24:17] so if it was

[24:18] >> trying so hard it just feels like now

[24:20] it's time for grace to do something

[24:22] because I've given everything I could

[24:25] >> grace is with you grace is with you.

[24:27] Grace brought you here. Grace is

[24:30] responding to you also. It's good.

[24:35] And um

[24:37] the the the quintessential

[24:40] um pointer would be to remember that

[24:43] whatever you perceive through the senses

[24:46] energetically or through thought,

[24:48] anything that manifest cannot be the

[24:51] seer of them, the perceiver of them. You

[24:54] see? And that and the fact is that they

[24:56] are perceived. So because the fact is

[24:59] that they are perceived but until now we

[25:02] didn't realize because you thought the

[25:03] perceiver was the person was your

[25:05] person. But now I told you that the

[25:07] person is also perceived.

[25:09] So if the person is the door to its

[25:13] world and the person is caught and its

[25:16] world what is it that's caught in what?

[25:18] You see it's not a mental answer. It's a

[25:21] it's a introspective

[25:23] um question. Then you must see that well

[25:27] whatever is seeing whatever is seeing

[25:29] whatever is seeable

[25:32] whatever is seeing that can it itself be

[25:34] seen

[25:38] >> as you say keep going back till the time

[25:41] there is nobody behind you. Yes I do get

[25:44] to that point.

[25:44] >> Yes.

[25:45] >> And it feels wonderful.

[25:47] >> Do it now.

[25:49] But then I cannot talk. I'll have to be

[25:51] quiet and just feel it.

[25:53] >> Well, I'm here and I'm talking.

[25:56] >> Yes. I don't know how you do it. That's

[25:58] why I say, "Can I drive? Can I do my

[25:59] work when I

[26:00] >> Yes. Yes. And it'll be good for you to

[26:02] know that because then if you can't then

[26:04] you'll be afraid.

[26:06] You be you'll be afraid that if I I have

[26:09] to wait until perfect moment when I have

[26:11] everything sorted so I can do that." But

[26:14] I said no in the midst of your life you

[26:16] can do it

[26:18] because this life doesn't belong to you.

[26:20] It belongs to the totality.

[26:24] It will just be experienced differently.

[26:27] The life that is being lived and

[26:30] experienced from the personal

[26:31] perspective uh creates fear.

[26:36] The person is afraid that they may have

[26:38] made the wrong decision and all these

[26:39] things. But when you're watching from

[26:40] the space of consciousness,

[26:43] you're beyond this. You'll experience

[26:47] still you'll have a sense of what is

[26:49] right and wrong. It's it's not easy to

[26:51] to describe it, but you'll be

[26:53] beautifully surprised. Wait a second.

[26:56] Oh, [snorts] I didn't have to give up my

[26:57] job, you know, unless you needed to.

[27:00] Whatever is going to be most pleasing to

[27:02] the consciousness, it will work towards

[27:04] that. But the root now does not remain a

[27:07] problem.

[27:08] Just like I'm speaking out of this

[27:10] nothingness. I'm calling like that. Some

[27:13] people don't like that the sound of

[27:14] that. But from this from the space that

[27:17] is um impersonal

[27:20] yet I know what is personal. So I don't

[27:23] have to destroy the personal. I just

[27:25] have to locate it in the correct in the

[27:28] correct line. It's like the other day we

[27:30] had a we had an eclipse.

[27:33] So there's the sun, you know, and then

[27:36] the moon came in front. Mhm.

[27:38] >> Okay. So both the sun and the moon

[27:41] coming in front is seen by the person

[27:43] who is also seen in by the

[27:45] consciousness. Nobody forgets that the

[27:48] person is always eclipsing everything.

[27:52] But all of them are seen from the place

[27:54] of consciousness.

[27:58] Everything is like this. Everything is

[28:00] in front. Everything the play of time

[28:04] and shape and change and people and

[28:06] moods and feelings, beliefs, thought,

[28:10] sensation, all of this is just a dance

[28:12] of of uh mind and consciousness playing.

[28:16] But I the stillness I'm never disturbed

[28:19] by that. But yet in my dynamic

[28:24] my dynamic portrait, I may experience

[28:27] disturbance in the body. But I see that

[28:29] also is on the screen of my perceiving.

[28:32] But you have to practice that and keep

[28:34] going because the mind will tell you see

[28:36] you failed and then you'll become a

[28:39] failure whereas the self cannot fail. It

[28:42] cannot even succeed. You see

[28:45] >> with your blessings I am able to see

[28:47] that it's the mind saying you failed

[28:49] that can be.

[28:50] >> Yeah. Well this blessing you have

[28:57] is good. This

[29:02] very good.

[29:13] [music]

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Jamaican-born teacher of Advaita Vedanta in the lineage of Ramana Maharshi and Papaji. After a transformative meeting with Papaji in 1993, he began holding satsangs that have grown…

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Vasanas are deep-rooted tendencies and conditioning that shape your behavior and sense of self. They don't actually get worse—but when you practice awareness or hear spiritual guidance, they tighten defensively, like a reflex to protect the false identity. This is why grace and discernment matter; you must learn to witness this reaction without being drawn into the fight.
The shift isn't fighting the mind; it's recognizing that you are the perceiver of the mind, not the mind itself. Practice in quiet moments by observing your thoughts and reactions as objects on a screen, rather than as you. Once this stability begins to grow, you can carry it into action. The personal observer protects itself; the impersonal observer simply sees.
Grace and effort work together. Grace isn't something distant—the fact that you're drawn to truth and satsang is grace already present. What grace gives you is the real chance to transcend the grip of vasanas. Your effort keeps you returning to the practice; grace ensures that effort can bear fruit.
No. You must put effort to stay in the effortless, until the effort itself dissolves and only effortlessness remains. Right now, your mind is your tool, even though it can't truly understand your real nature. The effort trains you to recognize what you are beneath thought.
It means to rest in pure awareness without analyzing or fixing anything through the mind. Don't look at the mind; be the space in which the mind appears. This is impersonal perceiving. It won't be stable at first, but with consistent practice in quiet moments, the witnessing becomes unshakeable.
Consciousness takes on the role of an individual soul and adopts the shape of a person for its own reason. You're not truly limited—you've identified with the mental and emotional image of a self. What you are never forfeits its power as consciousness; it simply forgets itself temporarily. Awakening is that remembering.
Progress isn't measured by the absence of storms. It's measured by your capacity to see the storms as perceived phenomena, not as what you are. Even a fraction of a second of that witnessing is progress. Keep returning to the practice. Stability grows through repetition, not through permanent states.
The mind will likely remain active—that's its nature. But the mind's activity will not disturb your being. The difference is that you'll be rooted in the awareness that perceives the storms, not identified with them. The storms lose their grip when you stop believing you are them.

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