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[0:18] 6 years ago when I watched your video
[0:20] for the first time [snorts]
[0:22] >> something clicked and I was able to
[0:25] separate from the mind and witness the
[0:28] monkey mind that I am something
[0:29] different in myself for 2 3 weeks I was
[0:33] at a lot of peace lot of bliss but then
[0:37] as you say the storm came
[0:39] >> it's been close to 6 years the storm has
[0:41] stayed
[0:43] it's like you say the tenant has come in
[0:47] >> and took over the landlord
[0:50] >> appears to
[0:52] it appears to it's not it's not so
[0:56] what do you think this storm is
[0:59] >> the mind becoming very restless of
[1:01] losing itself.
[1:02] >> Yeah. Not not just the mind by itself
[1:05] unless the mind contains the the the
[1:08] sufferer also.
[1:11] Uh when the mind contains the sufferer
[1:15] um which means the idea you have of
[1:17] yourself. Until now it has been there's
[1:21] an idea we have of ourel which is shaped
[1:23] in the mind. Um [snorts] and uh whereas
[1:27] your real self the beingness let's put
[1:30] it as the beingness for now is not
[1:32] personal. It doesn't have personal
[1:34] characteristics of its you know self.
[1:37] It's not uh it doesn't have whims. It's
[1:40] not uh it's it's it's just a place of
[1:43] being a place of uh impersonal
[1:46] consciousness. And it's that so for all
[1:48] beings, all the beings, not only human
[1:50] beings, the basic consciousness is there
[1:53] in the human form. That's what we're
[1:55] going to concern our self with. Uh when
[1:58] it manifest as individuality,
[2:01] it never forfeits with its own power as
[2:04] consciousness. But when it adopts the
[2:06] shape as a person for its own reason. So
[2:09] therefore the consciousness takes on the
[2:11] role of being a soul like that an
[2:13] individual soul. And each individual
[2:15] soul is very very unique. Even unto
[2:18] itself it's unique. Which means that it
[2:21] cannot be evaluated by its activities
[2:25] only. A certain deep uh rooted
[2:29] tendencies accompany the idea we have of
[2:32] oursel and that those tendencies or you
[2:35] may call them vas. You understand? they
[2:39] they are generating these kind of um
[2:42] behavior or situations that we see.
[2:45] They're not just accidental. They're
[2:48] part of what is presented to each soul
[2:52] and what each soul needs to learn like
[2:54] that. While when consciousness is taken
[2:58] on or puts itself in the role of a
[3:01] person, it has a work to do.
[3:05] That's what brought you to this planet
[3:06] to this earth to to transcend the grip
[3:10] of the vasanas but more than that to
[3:13] wake up to who you truly are.
[3:16] If you wake up to because many people
[3:18] can [snorts] focus on overcoming the
[3:22] vasas
[3:23] but the vasanas can keep transmuting to
[3:26] other shapes as well. Still the soul
[3:29] continues our journey of evolution
[3:31] evolving and evolution in this context
[3:33] mean becoming more subtle
[3:36] more eil more like its original nature
[3:40] as pure consciousness.
[3:42] So all journeys ultimately are to return
[3:45] to unpolluted
[3:47] consciousness.
[3:49] But the journey is not a physical
[3:51] journey. It's a journey of
[3:52] understanding.
[3:54] [snorts] And where you're journeying to
[3:56] is the place actually you could never
[3:59] ever be separate from. So even in the
[4:02] role am I speaking too fast?
[4:06] >> Okay. Okay. So even in the role of being
[4:09] a person. Okay. The pure consciousness
[4:14] remains ever pure
[4:17] when the sense of when it believes
[4:19] itself as the sense of person as we all
[4:22] do believe ourselves as person takes the
[4:25] world that we see through the mind to be
[4:28] real
[4:30] then the chances of awakening diminishes
[4:34] like that.
[4:35] You see so each soul is going to have
[4:39] that kind of predicament. But if you can
[4:42] trust that the supreme gave you this
[4:46] condition, this play in order to awaken
[4:50] to your original being and that you're
[4:54] destined for that
[4:56] and that because you find satsang
[4:59] appealing for you
[5:00] >> yes
[5:01] >> is already significance that you're in
[5:03] the space of the calling and so grace is
[5:06] with you but also the vasanas or The
[5:11] tendencies are still there. Yes,
[5:13] >> we should not be overwhelmed by them
[5:16] because with grace being with you, the
[5:19] chance to transcend the grip of the
[5:21] vasanas become much more
[5:25] real and alive for you. So I just want
[5:29] to put that somewhere inside you and
[5:31] then we can forget it. We don't have to
[5:32] go into all of this. So when [snorts]
[5:35] you say now you start again and say what
[5:37] is what is the what is the thing you
[5:40] feel you need to overcome is
[5:43] >> one thing that I've heard you say is
[5:45] marinate in the being
[5:46] >> marinate in the being
[5:47] >> which means don't look at the mind be in
[5:51] the being
[5:52] >> yes
[5:52] >> but the mind is clinging so hard
[5:54] >> that is at a at a at a more mature stage
[5:58] in your journey that will become
[6:00] self-evident
[6:02] but uh not for Everyone will just click
[6:05] immediately to that position.
[6:07] Even in the hearing of that, when the
[6:09] soul hears that reminder
[6:12] to marinate in the being, you see it's
[6:15] such a powerful guidance. It's not just
[6:17] a verbal guidance. It's actually
[6:20] spiritual impartation to the soul. Now,
[6:23] soon as that come, it's like the vasanic
[6:26] identity and tendencies. They tighten
[6:28] up. It's like a reflex to to protect
[6:32] >> their illusary identity. But you
[6:36] remember that the supreme allows that.
[6:39] You think but why would God do that? I
[6:41] thought he's going to help me to
[6:42] overcome them.
[6:43] >> Mhm. But uh it's like to we have to
[6:48] exercise
[6:50] the discerning power that we have to
[6:54] [snorts] to overcome
[6:57] uh all the different shapes that the
[7:00] mind can take.
[7:02] And once you um you're not it's not
[7:06] putting a sword in your hand like that.
[7:08] The sword is a sword of um attention.
[7:13] You know when I say to you that whatever
[7:16] you can perceive through the mind or the
[7:19] senses are never permanent. They're not
[7:23] real in that sense.
[7:25] They cannot hold their shape. They keep
[7:28] coming and going.
[7:30] But you the observer
[7:34] and this is where I want to explain
[7:36] because the person also also functions
[7:39] as an observer.
[7:42] The difference with the person observing
[7:44] is that it observes with self-interest.
[7:47] >> Okay?
[7:48] >> You understand? It wants to protect its
[7:50] own insecurities. It wants to protect
[7:52] its own
[7:53] >> sense of vulnerability.
[7:56] >> But when I say but that also is
[7:58] perceivable. Mhm. Yes.
[8:00] >> So if that is perceivable, it shifts the
[8:03] perceiver to a deeper and more pure
[8:06] place. You can experience that.
[8:09] >> I can but only when I'm not doing
[8:12] anything. The moment I do any action, I
[8:14] come back.
[8:15] >> So you you practice this when you're not
[8:17] doing anything for a while.
[8:19] >> Yes.
[8:19] >> Until it it gains stability.
[8:22] >> You you keep that. You just keep doing
[8:24] that.
[8:24] >> Don't put too much hard test in front of
[8:26] you. Work with what you can. Okay.
[8:29] >> So when you are quiet you you do that
[8:31] and in that time in that space where you
[8:34] can see that of course you know from the
[8:38] real place of looking it's not a moving
[8:40] place but movement can happen within it
[8:43] or in front of it but it's not it is
[8:45] moving.
[8:46] >> Yeah.
[8:47] >> Here the perceiver is not an entity.
[8:50] The personal perceiver is an entity
[8:54] but there's an impersonal perceiving
[8:57] which has no shape doing it. Shapes are
[9:01] perceived in it including the most
[9:04] subtle shape which is the shape of the
[9:06] person. Difficult to catch you see.
[9:09] >> Is it natural to put effort to stay in
[9:13] that?
[9:14] >> Yes you must put effort to stay in the
[9:19] effortless. M
[9:20] >> until the effort itself drops inside and
[9:23] only the effortless shine.
[9:25] >> Okay.
[9:26] >> Effort is very necessary because it's a
[9:28] good question because people may say but
[9:31] if it's natural why should they have to
[9:32] put effort? You see?
[9:34] >> Yes.
[9:34] >> Mhm.
[9:34] >> Yes. So these questions are okay to be
[9:37] asked but then you have to exercise the
[9:40] the discernment to say but of course uh
[9:43] um at at present although you're told
[9:46] that you are the pure being
[9:49] >> uh you're you're trying to understand it
[9:51] with the mind
[9:52] >> and the mind doesn't have the stamina it
[9:55] doesn't even have the the real intention
[9:57] to do it
[9:58] >> because the mind and the ego they're in
[10:00] league a little bit.
[10:01] >> Yeah. They cannot overpower the self.
[10:05] They cannot overpower the self. What
[10:07] they overpower is the replica self as
[10:10] the person.
[10:12] You see? So if you can hear the advice
[10:15] that the person itself
[10:19] who is the one who is a sufferer
[10:20] basically is itself on the screen of
[10:23] perception. Have you come to that?
[10:26] >> Yes. So that you must that is a a very
[10:30] powerful very potent pointer and you
[10:33] must keep looking at that to keep
[10:34] verifying because the mind will keep
[10:36] trying to to distort and to jump to
[10:38] another thing
[10:39] >> for a fraction [cough] of second and
[10:41] [clears throat] then I'm pulled back
[10:42] into
[10:43] >> yeah if you pull back into shape that is
[10:46] also seen just remember whatever happens
[10:48] you also
[10:49] >> it it's like if you imagine
[10:53] there's a story that there was a man who
[10:56] was um who didn't like to see his own
[10:59] shadow.
[11:01] >> You probably heard the story. Is a man
[11:02] who never liked to see his own shadow.
[11:04] >> So wherever he s he would always disturb
[11:07] him. So he always was walking where the
[11:11] sun is in front of him. So the shadow
[11:12] will be hide. So he doesn't have to see
[11:14] the shadow. But one day he became so
[11:17] tormented that he said I still can't if
[11:20] I turn I see the shadow. I want it to
[11:22] that if I turn I see no shadow. So he
[11:25] said, "Okay, what I'll do?" One day he's
[11:27] passing one grave place, one cemetery,
[11:30] >> and he see that they're burying a body
[11:32] >> and they're throwing earth onto the
[11:35] thing and he says, "Ah, I will go and I
[11:38] will dig a hole and bury my shadow."
[11:42] >> So he dug a hole
[11:43] >> and he waited for the sun to be in the
[11:45] position there where shadow is in the
[11:47] hole and he started to try and cover it.
[11:50] So every time he tried to cover the
[11:51] shadow came on top of everything. He
[11:54] couldn't bear the shadow.
[11:56] The per the reason why I say that is
[11:58] that I'm going to exchange the shadow
[12:01] for something because no matter how much
[12:05] things appear, you're always here to see
[12:08] them. You say when I'm focusing on that
[12:12] example that I gave you, then it was
[12:14] okay for a while and then the mind come
[12:16] back in.
[12:17] >> Yes.
[12:17] >> Okay.
[12:18] >> Yes. Then but no matter how many times
[12:21] the mind come but you're still the one
[12:22] who sees it
[12:24] the mind cannot remove the seer
[12:30] because it is a sear. The seer adopting
[12:33] the shape of the person say the mind is
[12:35] coming back.
[12:36] >> Yes.
[12:37] >> But both the mind coming back and the
[12:39] one suffering it are both on the screen.
[12:42] The seer is not on the screen.
[12:44] >> Can you understand that?
[12:45] >> Yes.
[12:46] >> I'm [snorts] recording this. So you're
[12:47] going to give it to you.
[12:48] >> Yes.
[12:48] >> So that you really come to this because
[12:51] many people, most of us, we will have
[12:53] this as you're coming. You know, it's
[12:55] like you're if you're flying an
[12:57] aircraft, you know, you're flying and
[12:58] for a while you can relax. Even the the
[13:00] captain can have a drink or wash his
[13:02] face on automatic. But when you're
[13:04] coming into land, he studies himself,
[13:07] put seat belt on and you come down,
[13:09] you're coming into land. So as it were
[13:11] like that, when you're coming into land,
[13:13] you have to be extra focused. Baba G why
[13:16] do I feel so exhausted in the mind?
[13:20] >> Actually you the self can never be
[13:22] exhausted.
[13:24] It is the person the shape of yourself
[13:27] as a person that gets exhausted. It is a
[13:30] mental quality
[13:33] and even the the mind can simulate
[13:35] exhaustion.
[13:37] The maya can simulate exhaustion
[13:41] because when you identify as a person
[13:44] you suffer from exhaustion and tiredness
[13:47] and frustration. So the mind can take
[13:49] the form of exhaustion to say this is
[13:52] too much. I can't do this and this kind
[13:54] of thing. You think why would the
[13:56] supreme permit that? Well, because you
[13:58] have to grow to find all the different
[14:00] nuances, all the different shapes mind
[14:04] can take and realize and if it takes a
[14:06] million shape, the seer still has no
[14:09] shape.
[14:11] You have to be in the place of the seer.
[14:13] >> Is it possible to be in the place of
[14:15] seer and still go through your day doing
[14:18] all the work?
[14:18] >> Yes, it is. The difference is that when
[14:21] you are situated in place of the sear,
[14:24] the dynamic life will continue but
[14:27] without the victim identity.
[14:32] It's not the life is not the problem.
[14:36] It is the identity who suffers life or
[14:38] who pursues life that makes it
[14:41] precarious.
[14:44] It's a good question. You see you know
[14:47] uh
[14:51] is it possible that in the realization
[14:53] of the self the life because of course
[14:55] if say for instance if one awakens and
[14:59] it means the world disappear your family
[15:01] disappear your job disappear and stuff
[15:03] nobody would want because you love your
[15:05] family and it's right to love our family
[15:09] it's not the world itself that is the
[15:11] enemy of the consciousness it's not the
[15:13] enemy of consciousness Even the ego is
[15:15] not enemy of consciousness.
[15:19] You see, it's the person who wants
[15:22] consciousness to take different shapes
[15:24] to please its own insufficiency
[15:29] that suffers the when consciousness when
[15:31] it projections don't work. But as you
[15:34] slip back more and keep coming back and
[15:37] seeing that everything everything in
[15:39] that you comes through your mind reports
[15:42] in front of the consciousness you are
[15:45] and that is very direct even now. The
[15:49] thing is that by the force of habit you
[15:52] adopt very strongly the identity of the
[15:55] person the inconsistency of personal
[15:59] identity that fluctuates and then you
[16:01] say well I can't I can't control the
[16:03] mind you don't need to control the mind
[16:07] in that way if you are somebody who
[16:09] practice mind control you always have to
[16:11] practice it says it's like trying to
[16:14] straighten the curled tail of a dog let
[16:18] it go it's going to curl again. So you
[16:20] can't need to control the mind. You must
[16:25] understand that mind is an action
[16:29] uh presented in the consciousness. You
[16:31] are the witness of that. However many
[16:34] shapes it takes, however many times it
[16:36] changes, the witness is not altered by
[16:38] it. And this is factual and
[16:41] [clears throat] provable.
[16:43] That's the one thing you need to do.
[16:45] These are the kind of pointers I give
[16:47] you. not 10 pointers if you can come to
[16:50] this and of course I see the challenge
[16:54] because it's as though if you solve this
[16:57] is like game over it's not game over
[16:59] suffering over
[17:03] >> so at this moment I am able to be into
[17:06] that sear state only for a few minutes
[17:09] or seconds
[17:10] >> what observes that even the the the
[17:13] intention to stay as the seer
[17:16] [clears throat]
[17:16] >> is only moment
[17:18] What observes that?
[17:25] >> You see, it's the eye in the form of the
[17:28] practicer that experiences failure or
[17:30] temporary success.
[17:33] But deeper eyes look and sees that and
[17:36] at some point you laugh and say, "Wow,
[17:38] that caught me for so many years." And I
[17:41] saw that that also is a scam of the
[17:44] mind.
[17:46] The self cannot
[17:48] fail. It cannot even succeed. It's so
[17:50] pure. The pure space it's there in you
[17:59] satisfy your questions. Keep asking
[18:01] until you
[18:03] >> One thing after following this and
[18:06] meditating for last six years, one thing
[18:08] that now comes up is that maybe grace
[18:11] needs to happen to do that paradigm
[18:14] shift. Just like you have expressed that
[18:16] when you met Papa G and Papa G looked at
[18:18] you and you experienced something very
[18:21] different, very radical shift. So
[18:24] >> everyone has their own way.
[18:27] Some people may never meet a physical
[18:30] master.
[18:31] >> Mhm.
[18:31] >> And we still can still wake up.
[18:34] >> Whatever is destined for you, every soul
[18:36] has a journey that includes awakening.
[18:39] You see? So don't have to imitate the
[18:41] shape that you hear before that this has
[18:43] to happen or somebody went to a cave and
[18:46] sit for you know five weeks. You don't
[18:48] have to do that. Just trust that life
[18:51] has a way that is perfectly suitable for
[18:54] the character it plays in you to wake
[18:56] up.
[18:57] >> So it will happen in its own time when
[19:00] it's supposed to be.
[19:01] >> Well yeah it's not accidental like that.
[19:04] It will need your conscious cooperation
[19:06] also that will assist it. Everyone must
[19:09] wake up at some point. But we have been
[19:11] on this journey lifetimes.
[19:14] If you've come to a state like this
[19:16] where these kind of questions are
[19:17] arising in you, it means that you're
[19:20] becoming more fit for that realization
[19:23] to happen. You see, so don't leave it to
[19:26] chance.
[19:28] uh when you follow the question
[19:31] questions and a probe into the questions
[19:33] I'm asking
[19:35] many other superficial questions will
[19:37] fall away because you cannot uh
[19:41] be seeking 100 different answers I'm
[19:45] just putting you to one place the answer
[19:48] you're seeking is yourself and yourself
[19:51] as pure consciousness is the only
[19:54] constant in this body not your person
[19:57] your person is a mixture of mind and
[19:59] consciousness.
[20:02] That's why it goes by the same name I or
[20:05] I am which is the intuitive name of
[20:09] consciousness. Impersonal consciousness
[20:12] becomes personal consciousness in the
[20:14] form of I am the person. But this I am
[20:18] signifies a consciousness which is not
[20:20] personal and it's the most natural. It's
[20:23] the most beautiful. It's always with
[20:26] you. In fact, it is only what you are.
[20:30] The rest is what we imagine. We we're
[20:32] dreaming ourselves in a sense. I know
[20:35] that's not easy to accept because we
[20:37] don't accept that. Uh you think dreaming
[20:39] happens when you go to sleep. But when
[20:41] you're not aware of yourself, it's
[20:43] called also dreaming.
[20:47] In your inquiry, in your introspection,
[20:49] you should not come to the place of
[20:51] merely person
[20:53] beyond the person. When the person
[20:55] itself is seen as as something
[20:58] perceivable,
[20:59] then you must experience what it is that
[21:02] that then is experiencing the person as
[21:05] a shape perceived.
[21:07] So this now you cannot use your mind
[21:09] because mind is screen. Mind is both the
[21:12] screen and the activity on the screen.
[21:15] That which perceives that is not on
[21:18] screen.
[21:21] That should be my only effort to get
[21:24] into that mode.
[21:25] >> The effort would be to to resist the
[21:28] temptation to go into form.
[21:32] You if something goes into form, let it
[21:34] go into form, but recognize that you're
[21:36] you are the formless watching it.
[21:39] >> But know that that cannot just be a
[21:41] mental technique you will experience.
[21:43] But but the seeing of that is happening
[21:45] also.
[21:46] And by and by you come to a very uh
[21:50] natural
[21:52] space
[21:53] unalterable and without manipulation
[21:56] pure place of being and that you must uh
[22:01] I would say persist with this and be
[22:06] devoted to that to staying with that
[22:08] looking looking until gradually
[22:11] gradually the the the
[22:14] force
[22:16] The force of habit loses its grip. You
[22:19] see like that. Mhm. [clears throat]
[22:23] One last question.
[22:25] >> This pure consciousness is this the
[22:28] divine.
[22:29] >> Yes. Even the mind is divine.
[22:34] But um we can't you can't understand
[22:37] that when you're in the strong state of
[22:39] personhood
[22:41] because the state of person would
[22:44] dictate and determine and interpret the
[22:47] world from a personal place
[22:50] but when you wake up you see all of it
[22:52] is divine
[22:55] and that's not easier to understand
[22:56] because when you have suffered you think
[22:57] and I don't want that to be divine but
[23:00] is your way of looking even your way of
[23:02] looking is included in the divinity.
[23:04] But when you're freed from it, you will
[23:06] not you will not suffer it. You
[23:08] understand that it's also a form of
[23:10] compassion because it means then you
[23:12] will not be able to dismiss anyone
[23:14] because you know what they experience
[23:17] and why they experience the way they
[23:19] experience and why they suffer some
[23:21] experience and enjoy others.
[23:27] >> Yes. If I find anyone who has this urge
[23:31] to to to wake up to it, I would try and
[23:35] find a space to come.
[23:36] >> The only thing I'm looking for
[23:39] sincerely, I'm done with everything
[23:41] else.
[23:42] >> That's that's making your life really
[23:44] worthy.
[23:46] >> This, as you say, is the most important
[23:48] discovery and I [snorts] feel it. But
[23:51] >> it's unfortunate I cannot be in that
[23:54] being
[23:55] >> if if it became too easy.
[23:59] which is not uh in that way to shift
[24:03] from person to presence is like this but
[24:06] it's not easy because we are so
[24:08] indoctrinated in person so the force of
[24:11] habit keeps us in the state of this
[24:14] strong intense duality you know
[24:17] so if it was
[24:18] >> trying so hard it just feels like now
[24:20] it's time for grace to do something
[24:22] because I've given everything I could
[24:25] >> grace is with you grace is with you.
[24:27] Grace brought you here. Grace is
[24:30] responding to you also. It's good.
[24:35] And um
[24:37] the the the quintessential
[24:40] um pointer would be to remember that
[24:43] whatever you perceive through the senses
[24:46] energetically or through thought,
[24:48] anything that manifest cannot be the
[24:51] seer of them, the perceiver of them. You
[24:54] see? And that and the fact is that they
[24:56] are perceived. So because the fact is
[24:59] that they are perceived but until now we
[25:02] didn't realize because you thought the
[25:03] perceiver was the person was your
[25:05] person. But now I told you that the
[25:07] person is also perceived.
[25:09] So if the person is the door to its
[25:13] world and the person is caught and its
[25:16] world what is it that's caught in what?
[25:18] You see it's not a mental answer. It's a
[25:21] it's a introspective
[25:23] um question. Then you must see that well
[25:27] whatever is seeing whatever is seeing
[25:29] whatever is seeable
[25:32] whatever is seeing that can it itself be
[25:34] seen
[25:38] >> as you say keep going back till the time
[25:41] there is nobody behind you. Yes I do get
[25:44] to that point.
[25:44] >> Yes.
[25:45] >> And it feels wonderful.
[25:47] >> Do it now.
[25:49] But then I cannot talk. I'll have to be
[25:51] quiet and just feel it.
[25:53] >> Well, I'm here and I'm talking.
[25:56] >> Yes. I don't know how you do it. That's
[25:58] why I say, "Can I drive? Can I do my
[25:59] work when I
[26:00] >> Yes. Yes. And it'll be good for you to
[26:02] know that because then if you can't then
[26:04] you'll be afraid.
[26:06] You be you'll be afraid that if I I have
[26:09] to wait until perfect moment when I have
[26:11] everything sorted so I can do that." But
[26:14] I said no in the midst of your life you
[26:16] can do it
[26:18] because this life doesn't belong to you.
[26:20] It belongs to the totality.
[26:24] It will just be experienced differently.
[26:27] The life that is being lived and
[26:30] experienced from the personal
[26:31] perspective uh creates fear.
[26:36] The person is afraid that they may have
[26:38] made the wrong decision and all these
[26:39] things. But when you're watching from
[26:40] the space of consciousness,
[26:43] you're beyond this. You'll experience
[26:47] still you'll have a sense of what is
[26:49] right and wrong. It's it's not easy to
[26:51] to describe it, but you'll be
[26:53] beautifully surprised. Wait a second.
[26:56] Oh, [snorts] I didn't have to give up my
[26:57] job, you know, unless you needed to.
[27:00] Whatever is going to be most pleasing to
[27:02] the consciousness, it will work towards
[27:04] that. But the root now does not remain a
[27:07] problem.
[27:08] Just like I'm speaking out of this
[27:10] nothingness. I'm calling like that. Some
[27:13] people don't like that the sound of
[27:14] that. But from this from the space that
[27:17] is um impersonal
[27:20] yet I know what is personal. So I don't
[27:23] have to destroy the personal. I just
[27:25] have to locate it in the correct in the
[27:28] correct line. It's like the other day we
[27:30] had a we had an eclipse.
[27:33] So there's the sun, you know, and then
[27:36] the moon came in front. Mhm.
[27:38] >> Okay. So both the sun and the moon
[27:41] coming in front is seen by the person
[27:43] who is also seen in by the
[27:45] consciousness. Nobody forgets that the
[27:48] person is always eclipsing everything.
[27:52] But all of them are seen from the place
[27:54] of consciousness.
[27:58] Everything is like this. Everything is
[28:00] in front. Everything the play of time
[28:04] and shape and change and people and
[28:06] moods and feelings, beliefs, thought,
[28:10] sensation, all of this is just a dance
[28:12] of of uh mind and consciousness playing.
[28:16] But I the stillness I'm never disturbed
[28:19] by that. But yet in my dynamic
[28:24] my dynamic portrait, I may experience
[28:27] disturbance in the body. But I see that
[28:29] also is on the screen of my perceiving.
[28:32] But you have to practice that and keep
[28:34] going because the mind will tell you see
[28:36] you failed and then you'll become a
[28:39] failure whereas the self cannot fail. It
[28:42] cannot even succeed. You see
[28:45] >> with your blessings I am able to see
[28:47] that it's the mind saying you failed
[28:49] that can be.
[28:50] >> Yeah. Well this blessing you have
[28:57] is good. This
[29:02] very good.
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